Recent happenings in the forum

quartz565 · Post by **quartz565** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:50 pm

I totally agree with Marek.
This misunderstanding has happened to me also several times .

Nikos

quartz565 · Post by **quartz565** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:14 pm

"Right for one person may be wrong for another person. So, unless otherwise some illegal or obscene material is posted moderators normally shouldn't have altered the posts of the posters. They can modify if they deem fit, ONLY with the consent of the posters. The posters have the right to ask not to modify his posts."

I agree with this opinion from Rathi

Nikos

Pablo César · Post by **Pablo César** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:05 pm

First of all guys, I want to apologize for the trouble we went through. Everything could have been resolved in a different way.

I never wanted to be a God or a dictator, as has been mentioned.

I did not know as moderator on this forum, I have the right to modify posts only in cases of some illegal or obscene material and otherwise ONLY with the consent of the posters. Of course who would like to see your messages re-edited ?

If we look on the internet about moderator duties, you can see:

http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Commun ... ors#Duties
(See at "Move individual or multiple posts to another topic")

http://bibledatabase.org/moderator.html
(See at "Move, close, merge, split, delete and edit threads when appropriate")

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum#Moderators
(See at "splitting of posts and threads" and "editing")

I do not think we need to talk in detail nor give names about everything that happened, I will let the time and the facts speak for itself.

But I just want to clarify something, I find very unfair and I ask to all of you to read carefully and impartially.

I'm being accused of changing messages from a member of this forum. As I said earlier, I never know that I could not change messages "unless" something illegal or obscene conditions (which only now Rathi mentioned it).

On the 13th of August on this message, I have changed re-edited because I felt that the subject was being treated and growing in the wrong topic. I say wrong, because I consider that there should be no deviation from the subject, ie, we deal with a subject and post messages in their proper topic for which should not exist any "OFF TOPIC" on that issue (this is a common rule in forums).

So what did I have done ? I did the following:
- I split the message into two parts
- One part of the message that talked about it stayed in the same topic here
- The other part I moved to merging with another existing topic here
- The other two messages (included my) was posted in the wrong topic, also joined the other existing topic here

I did not add nor removed any extra content of these messages and no other. Only splitted and moved messages.

My action generated disagreement, because user asked me to "not mess" in his messages "anymore", and the worst thing is he has written in the public for everyone to know that even I had ready asked (in privated message) to treat all my moderations acts in privated and not in public just to be judged. I condemn any practice of bulling, now we all know what really happened, that is the reality of the event which was titled as "re-edit posts".

I am coming from another forum which forum rules are very strict and which I had to be always as based.

When I started the moderation in this forum, one of the first things I asked to Rathinagiri, was a "forum rules". Normally forum rules are made for not to disrupt the smooth running of the forum.

Seeing this oportunity, I wish to apponit some important items that I considered relevant to adopt in this forum:

Well I hope all of you, could understand my situation also tried explain that I target just to avoid "off topic" and stay organized, was not my intention to hurt or offend anyone. I am also an user and I in constraints and suffered too and I believed all of these was not necessary.

Maybe I made a mistake in deciding at that moment when I could not get any answer from the administrator, either because Rathi was on sleeping time and by the reason of time zone, we were uncommunicated temporarily. But at the time, many things happen.

Amarante · Post by **Amarante** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:33 pm

Sorry for the size of the text, but I think that reading can help reflect.

Original: http://www.portaldafamilia.org/artigos/texto025.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Google Translate:

LEARN TO WRITE IN THE SAND (Legend Eastern)

Two friends, Mussa and Nagib, extensive roads traveled by circulating the sad and gloomy mountains of Persia. Both were accompanied by their assistants, servants and caravan.

Arrived one morning, on the banks of a large river, muddy and impetuous, within which the death lurked the most daring and reckless.

It was necessary to overcome the current threatening. When jumping, but a stone, the young Mussa was unhappy. Distorting her foot, plunged into the maelstrom of the foaming waters in revolt. There would have perished, dragged into the abyss, if not Nagib.

This, without a moment's hesitation, threw himself into the stream, and fighting furiously, managed to bring the saved fellow traveler.

- What did Mussa?

Called at the same moment, his ablest servants and ordered them in the face smoother gravassem a great stone, which stood near this admirable caption:

"Wayfarer, on this place during a journey, Nagib saved heroically Mussa your friend."

This done, they proceeded with their caravans, by ceaseless path of Allah.
Some months later, return to land again were forced to cross the same river, on the spot dangerous and tragic.

And, as if they feel tired, they decided to rest a few hours to the welcome shade of the flagstones which boasted high up in the honorable description.

Seated, because in light sand, began to talk.
Behold, for a reason futile arises suddenly serious quarrel between the two companions. Disagreed. Discussed. Nagib, exalted, in a burst of anger, slapped brutally friend. Mussa did? What would you do in her place? Mussa did not retaliate the offense. He got up and, taking, quiet, his staff, wrote in the sand clear, at the foot of the black rock:

"Wayfarer, on this place during a journey, Nagib, for futile reasons, swore, seriously, your friend Mussa."

Surprised at the strange conduct, one of the helpers respectful Mussa noted:
- Lord! The first time, to exalt the selflessness of Nagib, didst send burn forever in stone, heroic. And now, he just offend you so badly, you you limit yourselves to write in the sand uncertain, the act of cowardice! The first legend, O sheik, will remain forever.

All that transit through this site it will be news. This other, however, crossed out on the carpet of sand, before nightfall, will be gone, like a trace of foam between the boisterous waves of the sea.

Mussa said:
Is the benefit I received from Nagib remain forever in my heart. But the injury. . . this black offense ... write it in the sand, with a vote, so that if away quickly fade and disappear quickly also disappear and go out of my memory!

- So it is, my friend! Learn to write in stone, the favors that you receive the benefits you do, words of affection, sympathy and encouragement that you hear.

Learns, however, writing in the sand, the injuries, the ingratitude, perfidy and the ironies that I injured by rough road of life.
Learn to write well, in stone; learn to write, so the sand ... and you will be happy!

Selections of MALBA TAHAN

Pablo César · Post by **Pablo César** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:59 pm

I thanks to all answers because I see there is not any no resentment to any parts. This is good. I do not keep hurts just get sad and I hope all of this could passes as written in the sand. I also agree with Marek and Nikos about the foreign language and even worse the writing ones, that uses to not express the real content of the person wants to express.

apais · Post by **apais** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:41 pm

This guy: Amarante is exposing the typical behaviour of a Troll
I've seen them in sooo many forums tru the years...
The more you talk about him the more power he gets.
I think he and all his post should be banned from the forum from now and forever.
Let's preserve our good mood enviroment. We don't need this self nominated evangelists.

Just my not so humble oppinion !!!

Angel

IMATECH · Post by **IMATECH** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:36 pm

Hi all !

HMG Forum join people from many parts of the world, and every one is mature, adult, good and honest ( plus many other qualities )

HMG Forum dont need any rules ! just look back and see how Sr.Rathinagiri works; he got the respect from all of us, basically because he is humble as a master ( The best leader as I know )

The one who change text from posts: He will change context of forum messages causing injury to everyone. I recommend to restrict privileges from him.

First of all, a moderator quality is to respect all users.

Regards

Amarante · Post by **Amarante** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:05 pm

apais wrote:This guy: Amarante is exposing the typical behaviour of a Troll
I've seen them in sooo many forums tru the years...
The more you talk about him the more power he gets.
I think he and all his post should be banned from the forum from now and forever.
Let's preserve our good mood enviroment. We don't need this self nominated evangelists.

Just my not so humble oppinion !!!

Angel

Bom, em primeiro lugar, eu sou agnóstico, mas também não tenho nada contra nenhuma religião. O texto que eu postei foi somente para tentar apaziguar os ânimos, que me pareciam exaltados. Este texto foi retirado dos livros de Júlio César de Melo e Sousa, que usava o pseudonimo de Malba Tahan, um brasileiro, professor de matemática e escritor. Se você gosta de aventura leia "O homem que calculava".
Seus livros nunca tiveram nada de religioso e sim de ensinamentos matemático e lições para a vida. Eu gosto de aprender, e bons ensinamentos, até mesmo os religosos, sempre nos ajudam a viver melhor.
É minha convicta opnião, quer você goste ou não.

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Well, first, I'm agnostic, but I have nothing against any religion. The text I posted was just trying to appease the spirits, who seemed elated. This text was taken from the books of Jules César de Mello e Souza, who used the pseudonym Malba Tahan, a Brazilian, professor of mathematics and writer. If you like adventure read "The man who calculated".
His books have never had anything but religious teachings mathematician and lessons for life. I like learning and good teaching, even religosos always help us to live better.
It convinced my opnion, whether you like it or not.

dhaine_adp · Post by **dhaine_adp** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:07 pm

Well we can take all these incident as a collective experience, learn from it and moved on. Leaving the past behind. Let's always consider that English (most of us) is not our native language. With regards to forum rules, I think it would be better to have it on the sticky topic for new comers and old timers alike (if possible of course).

Danny

Post by **danielmaximiliano** » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:52 pm

Hi FRIENDS OF HMG: (translate google)
is time to close this chapter and think we asked to participate in this wonderful forum / world of HMG; Mister Ratinagiri opened the door we never fixed learning where we come from and what language we speak for it as any house guests know how we have to behave it is not our home even though we feel that if, rules that we read told us and so we have to adjust to them.
Roberto left us a mountain of knowledge and knew that this mountain grows more and now little by little that mountain gets rid of pimples and readily stay in nothingness.
Thanks Roberto, Rathinagiri, Danny, Esgici, Mol, Mustafa, Luis Vazques, Czarny, Claudio, Pablo, IMATECH and others for letting me learn from your knowledge.

Hola AMIGOS DE HMG:
es momento de cerrar este capitulo y pensar que pedimos participar de este maravilloso foro/mundo de HMG; Mister Ratinagiri nos abrio la puerta para aprender nunca se fijo de donde provenimos y que idioma hablamos por ello como invitados de cualquier casa sabemos como tenemos que comportarnos.
No es nuestra casa a pesar que sentimos que si, tenemos reglas que se nos dijo leer y por ello tenemos que ajustarnos a las mismas.
Roberto nos dejo una montaña de su conocimiento y supimos que esa montaña crezca mas y ahora de a poco esa montaña se deshace a granitos y prontamente quedara en la nada.
gracias Roberto, Rathinagiri, Danny, Esgici, Mol, Mustafa, Luis Vazques, Czarny, Claudio, Pablo, Imatech y otros por dejarme aprender de su conocimiento.

Rathinagiri wrote:Hi new members,

If you want to post in HMG Forum, just reply this topic with your interest in HMG. On seeing your reply, you will be promoted as a HMG poster.

Kindly co-operate.

Thanks and regards,

S. Rathinagiri.
Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:47 am

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