Fututo de HMG

[jorge.posadas]

Grupo,

Una pregunta que me ha venido pegando en la cabeza algunos meses,
¿cuál es el futuro de HMG oficial?, ¿se hará cambios importantes?, ¿se tiene pensado HMG para android y iOS?, ¿habrá HMG para web?

No pretendo hacer una discusión, solo son algunas preguntas que me han surgido tiempo atrás.

De antemano agradezco la lectura a mi inquietud

[AUGE_OHR]

hi,

is there any harbour LIB for Android or iOS

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have a look at "Quasar Framework"
https://quasar.dev/
it is for Web, Android, iOS, Mac and Window but it have nothing to do with harbour

a harbour Web App can "communicate" via REST to Smartphone. have a look at Mod_harbour which use Fivewin

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the Future of HMG depend on what User are doing.

a "Problem" of HMG is MinGW and LIB Type "a" while other have Type "LIB" made with BCC or MSVC
it would be nice when HMG change to MSVC like Fivewin since this Year

the "trick" seems to use MSVC Environment (here for 64 Bit)

Code: Select all

call "%ProgramFiles%\Microsoft Visual Studio\2022\Community\VC\Auxiliary\Build\vcvarsall.bat" amd64

[apais]

HMG is locked out and dying. WIN32 is almost obsolete according to M$

[jparada]

Ángel,

Recuerdas cuando decían que DOS iba a morir, bueno 25 años después sigue habiendo aplicaciones DOS corriendo por ahí, igual va a pasar con las aplicaciones de escritorio...

Lo que sí creo que es un hecho es que nuestras herramientas ya se van a quedar tal cual están, estamos acostumbrados a que no realizamos aportaciones (algunos tal vez sí) y queremos herramientas gratuitas, así que los que mantienen harbour o hmg no van a invertir más recursos en algo que no les genera ingresos eso es una realidad, este mismo foro, cuántos han/hemos aportado para el hospedaje/dominio???.

Hay herramientas que son viables y que ya hay varios compañeros utilizando que son los mod_harbour, el mod de Ángel/Diego el nuevo proyecto de Charly..., con estos proyectos se pretende dar el salto a la web reutilizando un poco código de lógica de negocios, pero tenemos que aprender html y JS como mínimo y claro que es complicado y más cuando ya estamos enrolados en nuestros trabajos y/o edad y lo que falta es tiempo, pero en definitiva la web es el camino a seguir, estas herramientas como lo mencioné son para aprovechar bastante la lógica de negocio que ya tienes implementada si tienes aplicaciones robustas, si no, entonces la apuesta sería en mi opinión ir realmente por un lenguaje de Backend o utilizar este tipo de proyectos como una entrada inicial al mundo web, ya será cuestión de los requerimientos y necesidades de cada uno de nosotros.

Saludos,
Javier

[vagblad]

I agree with what Javier said. HMG hasn't got a proper update for some time now because all the people who used to actually contribute to it stopped for their own reasons. I partially agree with Angel as well. Also i want to thank Angel for his hbtron project(although i haven't used it personally).I hope you will be able to continue working on it.

Open source projects need either 1)a very large community so there are a lot of people who contribute to it or 2)financial support to the contributers. Sometimes they need both at the same time. So as Javier said we cannot blame anyone for not using his own time to contribute. We all have our jobs-families-hobbies and these take priority.

To be fair though the community here has always been a great help. A lot of people spend their own personal time to help others. I know because i've received a lot of help in the past.

Personally for some years now i've been using only MiniGUI. For various reasons. But the most important is Grigory Filatov's dedication to the project and the constant updates to it. He has been updating the MiniGUI monthly for years now without interruption even under difficult circumstances(war in his country). This might sound like a shameless plug towards Grigory but it's not. If he won't be supported then i believe he will stop working on it as well at some point.

So in my opinion since there is a man who is actively working towards updating our tool we should support him. That is if we want the said tool to survive. We all know that harbour itself is'nt amazing in developing web-based apps(at least compared to other products), someone correct me if i am wrong, but at least with MiniGUI i am doing almost anything i need. I use SQL databases, REST apis, almost everything "modern" except building a web interface for my apps.

I also am not so sure about the whole web "crazy" going around at the moment. Yes web-based developed apps have a lot of advantages but a lot of disadvantages as well. A lot of huge ERP programs haven't moved to a web based environment yet.

That being said, i am not saying that everything is "peachy" with Harbour,HMG,MiniGUI etc. We still don't have a strong IDE to work with(and not having a clipper background myself(i am a c++/Unreal Engine guy), that thing annoys me so much), i spent so much time designing forms and the IDE while if i had a proper IDE i would have done it in at least half the time and it would be better as well. Also i've been working lately with Wordpress and Woocommerce(making a bridge from a MiniGUI app to a website) and i had to utilize the WooCommerce's API i had to write all the functions by scratch. Meanwhile more modern and common programming languages have libraries ready to use it. But this is something we have to settle for considering we are not a large community.

Long story short think HMG is stagnant, Harbour is not dead(at least for now) and personally my only solution is MiniGUI for now.

[Rathinagiri]

That is a really nice discussion going on. Being a non-technical guy (no idea about C language) I couldn't update HMG.

However, in my humble opinion, HMG is not dying because it has all the core capabilities. If we can bring a solid, native, 64 bit only version of HMG, I think it will go for years from now on.

[GodkarPS]

That is a really nice discussion going on. Being a non-technical guy (no idea about C language) I couldn't update HMG.

However, in my humble opinion, HMG is not dying because it has all the core capabilities. If we can bring a solid, native, 64 bit only version of HMG, I think it will go for years from now on.

Yes

[dragancesu]

Officially, the development is over

but don't worry, it's an open source project, everyone has code and can contribute

I have a feeling that a few things need to be fixed and added to make it perfect, whether to change the sources or create a library of functions is just a rhetorical question

the community is large, there are members on all continents, there is knowledge and a lot of will, but ... it still needs some leadership, some coordination

when there are many people, there are many habits, and finally a vision of how the program should work and/or look

clipper started more as a hobby, so I did housework, not at work, but I liked it so I've been using it for the longest time of anything I know (I started using clipper in 1990 when I bought my first computer)

and now what? we have to agree if we want to make desktop applications, it is not intended for the web so we have no choice, there are many other programs and tools for the web, so whoever likes it, go for it

so we have what we have, a simple programming language that can be easily supplemented with what it needs, now the question is what do we need?

I personally don't use IDE, it doesn't suit me, so I made something of my own, HMGCASE and something else that makes my work easier

I don't use minigui extend edition (great work) because now it is very different from the original so something needs to be changed (I don't live from this so I don't need to use it)

if we want something better then we should first make a survey with questions
- what do we need?
- what are we able to do?
- is anyone willing to coordinate it?

[Rathinagiri]

That is wonderful!

The first thing to be done in my humble opinion is, integrating a Latest Harbour Version, Latest MingW version with HMG sourcecode to have a pre-built library files exclusively for 64 version, so that we can release that as HMGx64 version.

If anybody have already done, that would be great. I think that would be a nice starting point.